Dagger
This guide answers two questions for the dagger: which piece moves which stat, and what the best design is for each goal when the highest piece tier you can use is 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5. The formulas were read out of the game's own code: they were recovered from v1.4.6 and compared method by method against v1.4.8, where none of the compared methods changed (some could only be compared by their headers; Value and price has the details). Rows labelled "NavalDLC" give the best result with NavalDLC active, which adds pieces and changes which pieces each weapon type can use; they are listed only where they beat the base game. How smithing works in general is in the Crafting guide; slots, usages and an example recipe are in Weapon templates.
Usages and damage
The dagger has four slots, blade, guard, handle and pommel, and up to three usages on the same item, all held in one hand.
| Usage | Blades in the base game | Blades with NavalDLC | Swing damage factor | Thrust damage factor |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Dagger (alternative) | 12 | 12 | 2 to 4.1 | 1.2 to 4.25 |
| Dagger | 22 | 24 | 1.2 to 4.1 | 1.2 to 4.25 |
| Throwing knife | 7 | 7 | 1.2 to 3.5 | 2 to 4.25 |
- Swing drag: 1.17 per unit of reach in every usage.
- Damage type: cut, pierce or blunt, set by the blade.
- Dagger and Dagger (alternative): use the same grip numbers.
- Throwing knife: only there if every piece you picked is allowed for it. Its Thrown damage is 3.3 × the thrust strength, without the extra mass of a melee thrust, and it counts 1.2 times for the tier score. Because it is not the dagger's first usage, a dagger you can throw is a single knife, not a stack.
Which piece drives which stat
- Blade: sets both damage factors and the damage type, adds length, and counts most for difficulty.
- Guard and handle: add weight and length. Weight far from your hand makes the dagger harder to turn than weight near it.
- Pommel: adds weight but no length. The game counts it as if it sat past the blade tip when it works out how hard the dagger is to turn, so a heavy pommel costs handling and swing speed far beyond its weight.
- Weight overall: swing and thrust strength grow with the weight, so a heavier dagger usually hits harder. It also swings and thrusts slower, and strength grows with the square of the speed.
- Length overall: more length adds swing drag and turning weight, so a longer dagger swings slower.
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How far each goal goes
Best result in the Dagger usage with tier-1 pieces, then with tier-5 pieces:
- Swing damage: 25, up to 64 (NavalDLC is better at tier 2 with 48 and tier 3 with 56).
- Thrust damage: 18, up to 65 from tier 4.
- Swing speed: 125, up to 127 from tier 2.
- Thrust speed: 100, up to 105 from tier 3.
- Handling: 119, up to 120 from tier 2.
- Length: 43, up to 61 from tier 3.
- Weight (lightest): 0.67 kg, down to 0.34 from tier 3.
- Value: 95, up to 6,103 (NavalDLC is better at tier 2 with 676).
The Dagger (alternative) table lists thrust damage, thrust speed, handling, length, weight and value; in the base game its results are the same as for the Dagger usage.
Throwing knife has no recipe with tier-1 or tier-2 pieces. From tier 3: Thrown damage 34, then 37 from tier 4; length 51, then 52; weight 0.44 kg; missile speed 34; value 590, then 1,037.
Best recipes by highest piece tier
Each row is the best design when no piece above that tier is allowed. A NavalDLC row is only listed where the result with NavalDLC active beats the base game.
Dagger (alternative) usage
| Goal | Highest piece tier | Pieces from | Blade | Guard | Handle | Pommel | Stat |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thrust damage | 1 | Base game | dagger_blade_20 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | sickle_grip_1 | aserai_pommel_2 | 18 |
| Thrust damage | 2 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | sturgian_grip_34 | aserai_pommel_4 | 38 |
| Thrust damage | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_6 | sturgian_grip_34 | aserai_pommel_1 | 58 |
| Thrust damage | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_7 | aserai_guard_9 | sturgian_grip_34 | aserai_pommel_6 | 65 |
| Thrust damage | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_7 | aserai_guard_9 | sturgian_grip_34 | aserai_pommel_6 | 65 |
| Thrust speed | 1 | Base game | dagger_blade_20 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | aserai_pommel_2 | 100 |
| Thrust speed | 2 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | aserai_pommel_1 | 103 |
| Thrust speed | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 105 |
| Thrust speed | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 105 |
| Thrust speed | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 105 |
| Handling | 1 | Base game | dagger_blade_22 | khuzait_dagger_guard_1 | sickle_grip_1 | cleaver_pommel_4 | 119 |
| Handling | 2 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | khuzait_dagger_guard_9 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 120 |
| Handling | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | khuzait_dagger_guard_9 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 120 |
| Handling | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | khuzait_dagger_guard_9 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 120 |
| Handling | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | khuzait_dagger_guard_9 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 120 |
| Length | 1 | Base game | dagger_blade_20 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | sturgian_grip_12 | aserai_pommel_2 | 43 |
| Length | 2 | Base game | dagger_blade_2 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | aserai_grip_1 | aserai_pommel_1 | 52 |
| Length | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | khuzait_grip_18 | aserai_pommel_1 | 61 |
| Length | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | khuzait_grip_18 | aserai_pommel_1 | 61 |
| Length | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | khuzait_grip_18 | aserai_pommel_1 | 61 |
| Weight (lightest) | 1 | Base game | dagger_blade_20 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 0.67 |
| Weight (lightest) | 2 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 0.42 |
| Weight (lightest) | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 0.34 |
| Weight (lightest) | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 0.34 |
| Weight (lightest) | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 0.34 |
| Value | 1 | Base game | dagger_blade_20 | empire_dagger_guard_1 | sturgian_grip_34 | aserai_pommel_4 | 95 |
| Value | 2 | Base game | dagger_blade_2 | battania_dagger_guard_1 | sturgian_grip_14 | aserai_pommel_4 | 532 |
| Value | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | battania_dagger_guard_5 | vlandian_grip_5 | aserai_pommel_3 | 2,586 |
| Value | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_9 | aserai_guard_9 | sturgian_grip_37 | battania_pommel_7 | 4,159 |
| Value | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_9 | aserai_guard_9 | aserai_grip_24 | battania_pommel_5 | 6,103 |
All pieces at scale 100. Weight in kg.
Dagger usage
| Goal | Highest piece tier | Pieces from | Blade | Guard | Handle | Pommel | Stat |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Swing damage | 1 | Base game | dagger_blade_20 | aserai_dagger_guard_4 | sturgian_grip_34 | aserai_pommel_4 | 25 |
| Swing damage | 2 | Base game | dagger_blade_2 | aserai_dagger_guard_4 | sturgian_grip_34 | aserai_pommel_4 | 43 |
| Swing damage | 2 | NavalDLC | coh_dagger_blade_2 | coh_dagger_guard_1 | sturgian_grip_34 | aserai_pommel_4 | 48 |
| Swing damage | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_9 | aserai_dagger_guard_3 | sturgian_grip_34 | aserai_pommel_4 | 55 |
| Swing damage | 3 | NavalDLC | dagger_blade_9 | coh_dagger_guard_1 | khuzait_grip_18 | aserai_pommel_4 | 56 |
| Swing damage | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_9 | aserai_guard_9 | sturgian_grip_34 | aserai_pommel_4 | 62 |
| Swing damage | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_9 | aserai_guard_9 | sturgian_grip_34 | battania_pommel_5 | 64 |
| Thrust damage | 1 | Base game | dagger_blade_20 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | sickle_grip_1 | aserai_pommel_2 | 18 |
| Thrust damage | 2 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | sturgian_grip_34 | aserai_pommel_4 | 38 |
| Thrust damage | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_6 | sturgian_grip_34 | aserai_pommel_1 | 58 |
| Thrust damage | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_7 | aserai_guard_9 | sturgian_grip_34 | aserai_pommel_6 | 65 |
| Thrust damage | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_7 | aserai_guard_9 | sturgian_grip_34 | aserai_pommel_6 | 65 |
| Swing speed | 1 | Base game | dagger_blade_22 | khuzait_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | cleaver_pommel_4 | 125 |
| Swing speed | 2 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | battania_dagger_guard_8 | wood_grip_1 | aserai_pommel_1 | 127 |
| Swing speed | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | battania_dagger_guard_8 | wood_grip_1 | aserai_pommel_1 | 127 |
| Swing speed | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | battania_dagger_guard_8 | wood_grip_1 | aserai_pommel_1 | 127 |
| Swing speed | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | battania_dagger_guard_8 | wood_grip_1 | aserai_pommel_1 | 127 |
| Thrust speed | 1 | Base game | dagger_blade_20 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | aserai_pommel_2 | 100 |
| Thrust speed | 2 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | aserai_pommel_1 | 103 |
| Thrust speed | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 105 |
| Thrust speed | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 105 |
| Thrust speed | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 105 |
| Handling | 1 | Base game | dagger_blade_22 | khuzait_dagger_guard_1 | sickle_grip_1 | cleaver_pommel_4 | 119 |
| Handling | 2 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | khuzait_dagger_guard_9 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 120 |
| Handling | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | khuzait_dagger_guard_9 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 120 |
| Handling | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | khuzait_dagger_guard_9 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 120 |
| Handling | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | khuzait_dagger_guard_9 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 120 |
| Length | 1 | Base game | dagger_blade_20 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | sturgian_grip_12 | aserai_pommel_2 | 43 |
| Length | 2 | Base game | dagger_blade_2 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | aserai_grip_1 | aserai_pommel_1 | 52 |
| Length | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | khuzait_grip_18 | aserai_pommel_1 | 61 |
| Length | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | khuzait_grip_18 | aserai_pommel_1 | 61 |
| Length | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | khuzait_grip_18 | aserai_pommel_1 | 61 |
| Weight (lightest) | 1 | Base game | dagger_blade_20 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 0.67 |
| Weight (lightest) | 2 | Base game | dagger_blade_5 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 0.42 |
| Weight (lightest) | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 0.34 |
| Weight (lightest) | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 0.34 |
| Weight (lightest) | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 0.34 |
| Value | 1 | Base game | dagger_blade_20 | empire_dagger_guard_1 | sturgian_grip_34 | aserai_pommel_4 | 95 |
| Value | 2 | Base game | dagger_blade_2 | battania_dagger_guard_1 | sturgian_grip_14 | aserai_pommel_4 | 532 |
| Value | 2 | NavalDLC | coh_dagger_blade_2 | battania_dagger_guard_1 | sturgian_grip_34 | aserai_pommel_4 | 676 |
| Value | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_3 | battania_dagger_guard_5 | vlandian_grip_5 | aserai_pommel_3 | 2,586 |
| Value | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_9 | aserai_guard_9 | sturgian_grip_37 | battania_pommel_7 | 4,159 |
| Value | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_9 | aserai_guard_9 | aserai_grip_24 | battania_pommel_5 | 6,103 |
All pieces at scale 100. Weight in kg.
Throwing knife usage
| Goal | Highest piece tier | Pieces from | Blade | Guard | Handle | Pommel | Stat |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thrown damage | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_4 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | sturgian_grip_34 | aserai_pommel_9 | 34 |
| Thrown damage | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_4 | aserai_guard_9 | sturgian_grip_34 | khuzait_pommel_7 | 37 |
| Thrown damage | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_4 | aserai_guard_9 | sturgian_grip_34 | khuzait_pommel_7 | 37 |
| Length | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_4 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | aserai_grip_1 | aserai_pommel_1 | 51 |
| Length | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_4 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | aserai_grip_24 | aserai_pommel_1 | 52 |
| Length | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_4 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | aserai_grip_24 | aserai_pommel_1 | 52 |
| Weight (lightest) | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_4 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 0.44 |
| Weight (lightest) | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_4 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 0.44 |
| Weight (lightest) | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_4 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | wood_grip_1 | sturgian_pommel_7 | 0.44 |
| Missile speed | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_4 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | aserai_grip_1 | cleaver_pommel_4 | 34 |
| Missile speed | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_4 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | aserai_grip_1 | cleaver_pommel_4 | 34 |
| Missile speed | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_4 | aserai_dagger_guard_1 | aserai_grip_1 | cleaver_pommel_4 | 34 |
| Value | 3 | Base game | dagger_blade_4 | battania_dagger_guard_5 | sturgian_grip_35 | aserai_pommel_9 | 590 |
| Value | 4 | Base game | dagger_blade_4 | aserai_guard_9 | sturgian_grip_37 | aserai_pommel_9 | 1,037 |
| Value | 5 | Base game | dagger_blade_4 | aserai_guard_9 | sturgian_grip_37 | aserai_pommel_9 | 1,037 |
All pieces at scale 100. Weight in kg. No recipe when the highest piece tier is 1 or 2.
Line charts of the best dagger result for each goal by highest piece tier, 1 to 5, every piece at scale 100, base game values in order. Dagger (alternative): Thrust damage 18, 38, 58, 65, 65; Thrust speed 100, 103, 105, 105, 105; Handling 119, 120, 120, 120, 120; Length 43, 52, 61, 61, 61; Weight (lightest) 0.67, 0.42, 0.34, 0.34, 0.34 kg; Value 95, 532, 2,586, 4,159, 6,103. Dagger: Swing damage 25, 43, 55, 62, 64 (NavalDLC better: tier 2 48, tier 3 56); Thrust damage, thrust speed, handling, length and weight as for Dagger (alternative); Swing speed 125, 127, 127, 127, 127; Value 95, 532, 2,586, 4,159, 6,103 (NavalDLC better: tier 2 676). Throwing knife, tiers 3 to 5 only: Thrown damage 34, 37, 37; Length 51, 52, 52; Weight (lightest) 0.44 kg; Missile speed 34; Value 590, 1,037, 1,037.
Every recipe here has every piece at scale 100, its default size. Scaling changes a piece's weight and length; see Scaling a piece in the crafting guide. What the solver research found about scale is in Getting the best weapon from your pieces.
Worked example. Your best pieces are tier 3 and you want the hardest stab. The table gives blade dagger_blade_3, guard aserai_dagger_guard_6, handle sturgian_grip_34 and pommel aserai_pommel_1, for thrust damage 58. With tier-1 pieces the best is only 18, with tier-2 pieces 38.
Practical tips
- Thrust damage climbs fast up to tier 4. It goes 18, 38, 58, then 65 at tier 4, and tier 5 adds nothing.
- Speed and handling barely change. Swing speed goes from 125 to 127 and handling from 119 to 120, so tier-1 pieces already make a quick dagger.
- NavalDLC helps little. It only beats the base game on swing damage at tiers 2 and 3 and on value at tier 2.
- A throwable dagger needs tier-3 pieces. For a stack of knives with more Thrown damage, use the Throwing knife type: its best Thrown damage from tier 4 is 61, against 37 here.